tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8842847708665054221.post4077120815697716529..comments2022-11-17T19:35:12.258+09:00Comments on The Stupid Way: Zazen Notes III - body & mind drop offPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04790009178764934014noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8842847708665054221.post-60472813987486238982012-06-07T00:46:47.911+09:002012-06-07T00:46:47.911+09:00I see that two years have past since I last commen...I see that two years have past since I last commented on this thread. Rereading the thread, I find Gudo's words about "whether we believe in the existence of enlightenment which is other than practice or not" to be an interesting kind of line in the sand. <br /><br />I'd like to address the main topic of your blog entry, Peter, and to speak now with the benefit of the Mark Footehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05443417871666702857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8842847708665054221.post-49869742759909316862012-05-09T15:12:14.415+09:002012-05-09T15:12:14.415+09:00I wish I could explain it to you all but dropping ...I wish I could explain it to you all but dropping mind and body for me is nothing at all what you are describing. There are no words for what I experience. I can not transfer my experience to you by words if you have never had it. Sorry about that. but that's it.Freedom_Unboundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00583909179025782992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8842847708665054221.post-53190368170179101942010-01-12T15:04:03.872+09:002010-01-12T15:04:03.872+09:00& apologies to Mark Jamison for calling you Ja...& apologies to Mark Jamison for calling you James- strange tranliteration!- yers, Mark<br /><br />S'intersting to me that I don't like to talk about Zen, though I do like to talk about sitting in the lotus and zazen. Peaceful and joyful gate, not so in my heart of hearts, but I won't hold Dogen to that. Guess that's why I'm not a Buddhist?- I'm a failure at the Mark Footehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05443417871666702857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8842847708665054221.post-40182435625476352172010-01-04T16:41:28.915+09:002010-01-04T16:41:28.915+09:00Hi, Peter, hi Ted, hi James,
Wonderful to find yo...Hi, Peter, hi Ted, hi James,<br /><br />Wonderful to find you all, here in our virtual tin-can & string. Many interesting thoughts as I read your entry, Peter, and the comments all. <br /><br />My point of view would be that the two respirations, pulmonary and cranial-sacral, utilize the sense of location as consciousness takes place to coordinate the involuntary activity of posture and Mark Footehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05443417871666702857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8842847708665054221.post-2425111272547520542009-04-03T14:11:00.000+09:002009-04-03T14:11:00.000+09:00Hi PeterThanks for your comments.It was interestin...Hi Peter<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comments.<BR/><BR/>It was interesting reading lecture 3 that your teacher gave at one of his retreats. And I quote" But real Buddhism is different, and this real Buddhism has also been maintained. One master who received the true Buddhist thoughts was Master Tendo Nyojo. Master Dogen met Master Tendo Nyojo and succeeded to the true Buddhist theory that practice Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8842847708665054221.post-18295453462808234402009-01-18T12:46:00.000+09:002009-01-18T12:46:00.000+09:00Hi Mark,Thanks for your comments.That’s a nice quo...Hi Mark,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comments.<BR/><BR/>That’s a nice quote from Shobogenzo. It looks to me like it’s from the chapter titled "Zanmai-o-zanmai". Gudo Nishijima and his co-translator Chodo Cross, translate that part a little differently. Here’s their translation:<BR/><BR/>“My late Master, the eternal Buddha, says, “To practice [Za]zen is to get free of body and mind. Just to sit is toPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04790009178764934014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8842847708665054221.post-28277101353349693352009-01-16T13:25:00.000+09:002009-01-16T13:25:00.000+09:00Also,Being Conscious is not body and mind falling ...Also,<BR/><BR/>Being Conscious is not body and mind falling away or dropping off. Dogen's body and mind falling away is consciously becoming unconscious like a stream of consciousness has been cut away, and you are fully aware of this stream being cut away. Time and a self no longer exist. When you regain consciousness you will feel very disorientated but more alive and aware then you have ever Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8842847708665054221.post-21836304354729796332009-01-16T13:07:00.000+09:002009-01-16T13:07:00.000+09:00Hi Peter,From my own experience in doing Zazen. I ...Hi Peter,<BR/><BR/>From my own experience in doing Zazen. I would disagree with what your teacher is saying about mind and body dropping off. Dogen states in the Shobogenzo (Norman Waddell and Masao Abe translation).<BR/>And I quote:<BR/>"My late master the old buddha said:"The practice of Zen (Zazen)is body and mind falling away. It is only attained in single-minded sitting.No need for incense Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8842847708665054221.post-35220361375330581462008-04-16T13:49:00.000+09:002008-04-16T13:49:00.000+09:00Dear Peter,Thank you for your thoughtful reply. It...Dear Peter,<BR/>Thank you for your thoughtful reply. It is always nice to hear the experience and insights of fellow Zen and Dogen students.<BR/>That Dogen! Great stuff.<BR/>I will check back with you some time.<BR/>Thanks again, gassho,<BR/>TedTed Biringerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00497538623775589400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8842847708665054221.post-23615167787219051572008-04-12T21:03:00.000+09:002008-04-12T21:03:00.000+09:00Hi Ted,Thanks for your comment. I based this post ...Hi Ted,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comment. <BR/><BR/>I based this post on my own reading of Dogen and my Zazen experience, and what I learned with Gudo Nishijima. The expression “shin-jin-datsu-raku” that I looked at in this post, and the expressions I looked at in the two previous posts appear in Dogen’s Fukanzazengi. Gudo Nishijima used these expressions to describe his interpretation of what Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04790009178764934014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8842847708665054221.post-32397668932808681152008-04-11T18:42:00.000+09:002008-04-11T18:42:00.000+09:00Hello Peter,Thank you for your interesting posts o...Hello Peter,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your interesting posts on Gudo Nishijima's teachings about Zazen.<BR/><BR/>I was wondering if your own personal reading of Dogen, as well as your Zazen experience affirm this interpretation?<BR/><BR/>I am a little confused about a couple of things you said in the post. You say a number of things like this:<BR/><BR/>"So we're not actively considering things or Ted Biringerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00497538623775589400noreply@blogger.com